Mental Health Check-in Feat: Dr Sapna Shaw-Hawke
Mental Health is very neglected and Dr Sapna and I take a moment to address looking for the signs of when it is time to take a break and get help. We discuss key statistics, dive into the importance of mental health, and most important we ensure that all of you have the resources you need to reach out for help.
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Sapna Shaw-Hawke:I'm doing well. How are you? Doing? Well,
Dustin Steffey:it's another sunny day in October. That's really hot in Nevada, and it should be cooler.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yeah. Yeah, same here in Kansas, Kansas. But you know what, we'll take it before the snow and ice set and right.
Dustin Steffey:I'm ready for the snow so I can go snowboarding and kind of practice on being on a mountain alone where I'm not having to deal with people.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:That sounds kind of fun, actually.
Dustin Steffey:Yeah, it's just refreshing because then you can recharge and deal better with people.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yeah, yes. Yes. Yes.
Dustin Steffey:So tell me a little bit about yourself Sapna I know I ruin the surprise on your, your educational background, but you have you have more to you than just education. We got some fun hobbies and stuff, I'm sure so go ahead and tell me a little bit about yourself.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Sure. So I'm a I'm from the Midwest, right I'm a native Kansan born and raised never really left the state to work or what or schooling because you know, family is here and pretty close to my family, even the extended, extended ones that are a little awkward at Thanksgiving. But I really, really enjoy the quiet nature of the rural life. And practicing here in rural Kansas for in one way or another for about 10 years. And really enjoy spending time with family friends outdoors. You know, there's some great nature trails. Kayaking, when the weather is not 110 degrees as it was this summer. Also, you know, traveling and hiking. So, recently, my daughter's really started to enjoy fishing. So we have been fishing when the weather is cooperative.
Dustin Steffey:I mean, with the kayak in part, if it gets too hot, you can be like those fancy kayak racers and just flip it so you get wet real quick, and then you're good to go.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:That would be a little I have a little bit of fear of what wildlife we might find in the water, so I'm not as adventurous as they are. Maybe if I were in the ocean, I would take my my chances with big fish rather than some of the wildlife we have around here.
Dustin Steffey:See, I'm the opposite of you. I am not void in that vein in the ocean. My luck is there's a shark right there that just wants to eat me.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Let's, let's just hope it's quick. Because I'm I'm actually not really a fan of snakes. So okay, okay, that's the reason why I'm saying that.
Dustin Steffey:Not really. I'm not really scared of too many things. I guess my fear bone my fear meter like it was I don't know it's non existent, I guess. But I mean, heights, in my older age lately has been probably the single bigger one. Like before, it wasn't a big deal. I jump off cliffs and stuff. And now it's like, I looked down and I'm like, What if I die?
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yeah, you know, as you get older, you have more to lose, right? Yeah, more responsibilities and, and more ways to hopefully look for financial gain. So the, the, the stakes are higher. And the perspective is much different than when we are in our teens and 20s.
Dustin Steffey:Yeah, I agree. Even even like being adventurous younger, I always had like sports to kind of reel me back in like, well, I can't break my leg or else I can't perform in my sport.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yeah, yeah. Mine was I couldn't I couldn't get sick or I couldn't overdo something because I had to work the next day or gosh, we had a test 20s For me what I'm what I didn't do my 20s I'm now doing at the age of 40. So
Dustin Steffey:well, you you like me put an emphasis emphasis on education. And with that emphasis, it took a lot from us. Our friends were partying and having fun and doing certain things while we were studying and trying to get as good at our field as we can so we could give back to the people that we wanted to give back to
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:correct racked. And one big reason why I did stay in Kansas is because, you know, it is it is an affordable state. Right. And it's a great place to study because there are less distractions. So with family and the affordability and the educational opportunities for what I wanted to do being present, I stayed. Having said that I worked my way through college. And that was some days, some days a week, while doing undergrad or my masters, and then saving up for medical school and, you know, just planning for the future. Because as awesome as it was, you know, going through medical school, what they don't tell you about are like the the fees of applying and traveling and for a broke college student. That's That's expensive. That's expensive. So you have to budget.
Dustin Steffey:Yeah, I agree with that. It's, it's insane. Actually, I'm still paying my debt, I'm sure you're still paying to
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:I am I am. But I'm, particularly I'm paying undergrad and grad school. Kansas is one of the underserved areas because it is so rural. And so one thing that I did, and I went in pretty open to, you know, different specialties, but as I, I'm a gambler, and certain aspects. And what I did before medical school was working as a phlebotomist either in the hospital or in an internal medicine office. And one of the physicians that I shadowed prior to applying to medical school, was an old Scottish internist and just phenomenal. So I had an inkling to you know, that's my, that might be what I want to do. So I thought it would be okay, I can always sign a contract with the state. And for X amount of years of service, my medical school would be paid for each year that I do, you know, service in an underserved area. And that's actually how I ended up here, and my current location, and just loved it. I've absolutely loved it, and I enjoy it. So that's, that's how I was able to eliminate medical school debt. That was That was fun. But choosing a private Catholic University for undergraduate and my MBA was, it was was worth the price tag, but I'll be paying on it till I'm 50.
Dustin Steffey:I'll be paying on mine, probably until I'm dead. But that's another story. Listen, you know, I'm a proponent of education, because I'm just as educated as you but in a different field. Yes, we have on this podcast, of course, had some conversations about education, they've been as unbiased as possible, right? Because there are some gaps that need to be addressed. But as of right now, this is your conversation, what you do the field you're in. I'm a proponent of the most. And so I just want our listeners to be reminded that I mean, when it comes to the MD field, I would much rather have someone that's had practice and had had the classes and had all the like hours and hours of residency and stuff than someone that does not know how to be a doctor. So please take this seriously. Like I am a proponent of education for MDS, nurses and all that as well. Yes. Yes. With that being said, Everybody's probably wondering, well, Dustin, why do you and Jaden have an MD on on a self development and entrepreneurship podcast? And I'm gonna let you bring the surprise to it as to why.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Sure, you know, I think that and thanks for that. You know, I think that by practicing medicine, right, we encounter a lot of different obstacles and practicing and the burnout rate and medical and the medical side of things, and particularly in physicians is about 60% in some specialties, after the pandemic, 300 to 400 physicians die by suicide a year. And why it's a lot of stress. It is a lot of being expected to be perfect, not talking about feelings, not taking time for self, we as physicians, but our patients and believe me when I'm working my patients get 100% of my my attention and 100% of my energy. But one thing that we're not very good at as physicians and a lot of times other health care workers, and others that are in so service industry. So that's going to be your teachers, any type of caregiver, right? We put everybody else's needs first, and we tend to not address our own. And when we do that, we really, really neglect the self, which would include self development, self care, we put all that on the backburner. And a lot of times, that can shorten our lifespan that can lead to dissatisfaction. If you go all in on one thing, 100% all the time, you going to lose sight of your why. And you're going to lose yourself down that rabbit hole. So one thing that I've learned and also through the suicide of my best friend from medical school and residency, is you've got to pump the brakes, you've got to, one has to be able to take care of self and to draw boundaries, which is important in all aspects. But even entrepreneurship, and also for self development.
Dustin Steffey:So I was in terms of what you just brought up, I was thinking about it as well. And there's a statistic that stuck with me on the rate of suicide and depression, which lead ID the depression led from entrepreneurs not being successful within their field. Correct. So the rate of which an entrepreneur commit suicide is up 30% among amongst small business owners post pandemic. That's horrible. So here's So wrap your head around it, right. So post pandemic, so after the dust has settled, which it hasn't really settled, we're not going to get into that, but it's better. Right? Who the sides are up 30%. Right. That to me attributes to self awareness, not not being aware of what what is going on in your head, it attributes to probably the rise in inflation in the economy and the shutting of small business doors, because we don't have the funding to keep going. Yes, the economy is the biggest, the biggest driving factor of that with inflation. And people not wanting to spend money right now, because we don't know where it's going to be soon. And there's no raises that are coming out, and people are doing more for less. So there's a whole lot of factors in my mind, that attribute to that number, that statistic that you and I just read, increasing. The whole point of me having having you on, just so our listeners are aware is it is very important. And it's a very important topic for self development, to be able to recognize the care that you need for yourself. We've had this conversation with Dante, Moe, on fitness and going to the gym and clearing your mind to be able to make good choices. We had this conversation with Michelle Dickinson with mental health and how to be and stay in the right state of mind. And now we're reinforcing it even more with Dr. Sapna.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Thanks, thanks for that. And I can try to tie that together, right? To be an entrepreneur, you have to work with your mind at its sharpest. What do you need for that? At the beginning, you know, everything is so new, and you're ready to go all in. And, you know, few weeks in coffee might be doing the trick, right? burning the midnight oil. And there's a lot of that that behavior is applauded within society, right. But there's a flip side to it eventually, if that becomes the routine. And I'm guilty of it too. I'm guilty of it too. You know, we're so I'm not here to judge, but also learn from learn from our mistakes, learn from my mistakes. You have to be able to be at the best, the top of your game, you need that sleep, you need that sleep to reset. Because if you're consistently on the go, go go stressed out, stressed out stressed out. That increases the cortisol, that is a stress hormone in the body that the adrenal glands produce. And over time if it is not, if we don't, if it's constantly in that drive, that increases the rate of diabetes, high blood pressure, weight gain, and you just stay in that stress mode. We know that stress when not mitigated kill Right, there's a reason why heart attacks and strokes app and on the job. And when that person retires, and God willing, they make a good recovering, they're retired, they remove that stressor like a new person. So it's good to keep that in mind and take care of yourself, the working out clears your mind, decrease is a great way to decrease stress. It is a mood booster. The food choices, food is medicine, the leafy greens, the nutrient rich food that we put in the body, right? That can decrease the if we're choosing the right things and how I like a good burger. I'm from Kansas, so I like my beef. But you know, that's, that's great, every once in a while, but if that is routinely every day, twice a day, really need to stop back to step back and think, okay, is this really what is best for me? Because what that does, and they've actually done studies, right, you eat a hamburger. And as good as it is, it starts to the vessels actually start to constrict because of the because of what you're ingesting. Whereas I've done ultrasound studies, to look at vessels with more of a plant strong diet, I didn't, I didn't say vegan, I'm from Kansas, I'm not going to give up my beef. But you know, a plant strong diet, with the phenols, and other things that are found that like apples or wine, we can actually have vessel dilation or relaxation. So thinking about that, and thinking about what we put in our body as fuel, like we take our car, to the gas station, and we're occasionally it's nice to make sure we have that full tank. We need to do the same for ourselves to be able to make the best decisions we can.
Dustin Steffey:I think that's super important. I think as entrepreneurs, we're always going 100 110%. And sometimes we forget about the choices that we make for ourselves to be able to live and create a healthy lifestyle. I also know that in this time, as we already know, post COVID It's also been obviously stressful with a 30% increase in suicides, right? Yes, yeah. And, you know, the SBA released an article back in March, the article that they released was the biggest challenges for entrepreneurs, right and small business owners. And on that list, I was looking at it and there are a whole themes that I know are expensive and that have been hurting our businesses and causing them to closed doors, right. One is health care. Two is the government regulations that keep coming down. Yes, three is income taxes, because the taxes have been continuing to change year over year. The economy made it on there, which I mean, that's a no brainer. We know that right tax compliance and cashflow staying passionate. I mean, how can you stay passionate if you're not in the right mental state and you're not taking care of yourself and things. People feel like are falling all around you. I mean, that's important, not diversifying, or growth versus quality. Not asking for help, or hiring new employees. I mean, all those things contribute to the mindset that you need to be successful as a entrepreneur and business owner.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Right. Just number one I'd like to address that's disheartening. To know that it suicide rate is up 30%. That is somebody that has been taken away from family, friends, co workers, a community. And that's a huge loss. So like not, I would like to acknowledge that.
Dustin Steffey:I'd like to also acknowledge the fact just for our listeners right now that this is something that you and I are trying to prevent, in going forward to by giving some more self awareness on how you can take care of yourself. And so while we are very we are highly dissatisfied with the increase in suicides, and it's emotionally, making me distraught. It also tells me that we as podcasters and as a community can give more information to be able to break that cycle and lower that rate.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:100% And that actually goes back to passion, right? That's the passion. That's my passion, why I get up, and I go to I go to work. That's the reason why I get up and I work on my Podcast. That's a reason why I am looking at speaking opportunities, right. So I also have my own entrepreneur. Entrepreneurship on the side, right from my my day job. So, but I'm able to do that because I am passionate about self care, I'm passionate about mental health. And entrepreneurs, man, it's like, it's like a racecar driver, right. It's a like a racecar driver type A personality, incredibly, incredibly innovative and perfectionist. And one thing I would have I would say is, how does a racecar driver stop? By pushing the brakes, you do not want to stop by running into the wall. Because when you stop by running into the wall, what happens?
Dustin Steffey:In my experience, it's been very high injury rate or even death.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yes. And so the reason why I use that analogy, is because entrepreneurs are going to pour everything that they are into their business, it's like a child. And one thing that we do have to remember is even as a parent, as a physician, as an entrepreneur, I also have to put time and effort into the relationship with myself, and self care, self awareness. And with that self awareness, I can develop, I can work on myself development and continue to grow my ideas and innovation and give my 100% to that business, to that child to that patient. But until I address, refilling my cup, and pushing my break, and drawing boundaries with what I can and cannot do. And prioritizing. If I don't have those things in place, I become a crappy doctor. I become a crappy household member, I become a crappy anything. Because I'm running on fumes. I run on autopilot. And I miss the beauty that the world has to offer. I miss opportunities that I maybe had I been more mentally sound or aware. And instead of aloof, I would have been able to make the connections better.
Dustin Steffey:So same for me, too. I am a father. I'm a business owner. And I work in an industry that's super fast paced as well. And if I'm not at my 100% for any one of those, I'm I'm not very useful. But in order to be at 100% I also have to recognize when I'm not, and take care of that and address that which some are good at that either.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:It's hard. Like it's hard, right? Oh, yeah.
Dustin Steffey:Oh, yeah. So what are some signs in your opinion, to kind of look at to give kind of our listeners and business owners a sense or feel of like, okay, so Sapna said this, I need to take a look at this. And this might clue me in on what I can do to be better. I know one of them is sleep, which I know I'm guilty of being sleep deprived.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Sure. Yeah, it's sleep is hard. Right with with wearing so many hats. But I would even say you know if there's really no way to catch up on sleep, but it can always be improved by scheduling naps throughout the day, some power naps and so that at least that's how I get through the day sometimes is a power nap in the afternoon or what have you, or on my days off from from the day job, right? But also, I find that when one box like let's say, my work box starts to expand and my play box starts to shrink, right? I don't get my time outdoors, regardless of frigid cold. If I need some outdoor time I'm gonna go outside and find something to do. I find that I become very irritable. And I start snapping, or I will just completely disregard ignore on purpose. Something that somebody is saying when I walk past and it's more of, I'd rather keep my mouth shut because I know I'm irritable. Then I have to stop and think why am I irritable? So for me, that's how it shows up as irritability. And then I look at okay, what's stressing me out? Is it because I gave back had news, more than more than normal this week in clinic? Or is it because I was up half the night with the kids? Or is it because I haven't been able to be unable to engage in my hobbies over the last two weeks? So I really look at, you know, what is the work life balance because, for me, that's incredibly important to stay centered and grounded and focused.
Dustin Steffey:That's my biggest challenge, right? staying centered, grounded and focused. I'm getting better at it. But like, that is a big deal. So for me, like if we're talking about me, personally, it's deprivation. Opportunities, right? I don't want to call them issues, because if I call me issues, it sounds way worse. Right? Right. So some of my opportunities include sleeping better one, because sleep leads to your body being able to actually like, change and help, like, give you then the necessary endorphins and or whatever, you need cortisol, whatever, to be more functioning. The second thing would be healthy diet, right? I know a lot of entrepreneurs that they don't have time to even eat, so they're eating one meal a day, and that one meal is probably not the healthiest that it can be. And it's not giving you all the nutrients, which leads to working out which we had my buddy Dante on about health and working out and stuff not so important too. Because that helps your mind, focus and release the necessary endorphins to feel better, and actually be able to think better and clearer. Yeah, those are, those are some opportunities that I I can rattle off off the top of my head. Stress is another one. But that's a whole nother topic.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Right? Right. But it's good to always, I mean, Life is stressful, right? We live in a very, very fast paced society where we are constantly bombarded with text messages, emails, right. And 100 years ago, we did an animal that we didn't even have the connection with human beings that we do now. Because, you know, the closest neighbor was how many miles away. So, you know, I think we also have to forgive ourselves. And that's where we type A personalities are so, so self critical. We have to remember that we're, we're humans and forgive ourselves. And then just pick one thing each day that maybe we'll work on. Just pick one thing, see everything.
Dustin Steffey:That's definitely a new piece of advice, right? Pick one thing. Lately for us, it's been about structure and routine. So I have a routine. And if I miss that routine, my whole days jacked my whole day. Usually, for my routine, it starts at five in the morning. And lately, it's been evening out, like one or two in the morning, which means I'm getting three hours asleep. So the routine has to change a little bit, obviously. But what I'm trying to reinforce is, is when the routine is firing on all cylinders, it usually is pretty good.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yes, yes. And routine, I think is really important, right? Because it provides that structure in which you can actually draw boundaries and carve out time and you know what to expect and you can set you know, goals and deadlines. But then if, if you do not get everything on your list done, and this is where I've really worked hard on my type A personality to where I'm not. I don't have hemorrhoids quite yet, if you will. Yeah, just all joking aside, forgive yourself. If, if that deadline is not today, the world is not going to end, forgive yourself. tomorrow's a new day. And you can break it up. We sometimes we are a little overzealous, particularly with high achievers, which most entrepreneurs are. And so we're incredibly high achievers, wanting to do everything perfectly every time, everything we touch. And so allow yourself some grace. And we'll actually lessen some of that stress and might even help you see some things a little bit clearer.
Dustin Steffey:I agree. So let's let's recap a few things because there's been some high level conversation here and a lot of things have come out of it. One, it's okay, to take a step back. It's actually much needed in my mind so you can reset and make appropriate choices to You routine routine routine. still important, I'm still going to harp on that all the time. As Dr. Sapna said, it's good to do things one at a time. So you don't feel the burden of being overwhelmed in the stress. It's, it's understandable as entrepreneurs to be a million miles per hour and doing a lot of things, but you're not doing yourself any good. If you can't focus and get all those things done in an appropriate manner. So try to take a step back a little bit if you can, I'm not telling you how to run your business. But you know, it is important. Also, we went over some very bland statistics, one being that suicide rate is up post COVID. And so that is the whole point of having this conversation is to just recognize that within the self development, and entrepreneurship world, self care has to be a part of it. And I think that it's highly neglected for most entrepreneurs, because you're just trying to make your business successful. And that's okay and understandable. But if you're dead, and I use that very firmly, then you failed. And as an entrepreneur, nobody likes failing. So you do have to take a step back, right. And lastly, it's important to reach out and ask for help. And this is where we transition for Dr. Sapna to go through on what she does to help people with her podcast and how you guys can reach her.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Sure, no, thanks for that. And, yeah, the biggest thing is that we're human beings, and we all mean so much to our family members, friends and community. And it is definitely definitely okay to ask for help. The death of my best friend by suicide back in 2019, really got the medical community, as well as myself and her family off guard would have never thought that somebody looked happy on the outside was so incredibly sad on the inside. And so, everybody, all of us that are type a high achievers, we cannot be replaced at home, we can restart again, because we have it in us, but we cannot be replaced at home. So please get help. And because of that, because that's what I'm passionate about. I started a podcast called The worthy physician, back in April of 2021, during the pandemic had the time and also as a way to grieve, I believe. So my podcast looks at different aspects of burnout. And I've had quite a few different types of guests, including you and Jaden as well, on your, you know, your aspect of burnout. And
Dustin Steffey:we talked about stress, we got into stress and stress is a highly huge burnout factor.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yes, yes, it is. And it is so easy to say I'll take care of it tomorrow, or it doesn't matter. And the thing is, is that it has to be forefront, you know, almost every day on every day or every other day, I asked myself, you know, where am I today on a on a scale of stress, right? So I have that internal meter. It's not a question, I go around asking out loud, it's something I internalize. And so with this podcast, you know, the self self care, mental health is not something that is discussed in medicine, because it's taboo. And quite frankly, I want to bring it to the forefront and say no mental health is health. We just had Mental Health Awareness Day, I think the 10th, beginning of this week, and along with that, and physician suicide awareness day, in September, September 17, those are two of my favorite days to, to talk about things like this, just because it's it's an IT IS SO underrepresented. currently trying to grow my speaking business on the same as well, because mental health is health, self care is not selfish. And it is it is to put that fire back in your right to put that fire back in yourself. So you can put that back into your business and everything else you're doing in your daily life because we have awesome people doing awesome things. And that's something that we always forget that we're how awesome human human beings are.
Dustin Steffey:We tend to forget to celebrate the successes of how awesome human beings are. And we also tend to forget like everybody has a different approach that arrives at the same destination. And the more that we can have those different people talking and helping us others, the more that we can find people to relate with different individuals
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:100% on point, you know, I can learn from you. I learned a lot from you last, when we last spoke, and even now, you know, it's, it's so important to have those conversations, it's so important to listen to these conversations in order to hopefully this will spark an aha moment for somebody. And this is why we do what we do.
Dustin Steffey:I think you and I can agree that we do what we do, because we want to give back to people and help people to get to the destination that they want to get to. And that's important to me. And I feel like if we're given the resources in a right way, order, we're going to be okay.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Yes, yes. Nobody goes into medicine or nobody goes to enter these caregiving fields for for the money or the glory, it is to give back it is definitely a calling and now if I had to do it all over again, I would choose the same thing, I would definitely choose the same thing because I absolutely love my community. I love my patients and I love all the interactions like what we're having. Now.
Dustin Steffey:If I had to do it all over again, the only thing that I would do differently is do what I'm doing sooner because then I can impact that many more people. So for me as as we go through our journey and as my listeners know, for our podcast, a lot of this is burning the boats, cutting the ties, taking those chances and really just diving in and really seeing what you're made of. But doing your homework, doing your research and making sure that when you're ready to cut the ties and burn the boats you're doing it right
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:that is so important.
Dustin Steffey:So Dr. Sapna if if my listeners are so inclined to get a hold of you, how what is a good medium to get a hold of you I'm sure you have social media I'm sure you have a direct email can you please enlighten us a little bit?
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Sure. So they can go to the worthy physician.com That is www.thewrthyphysician.com and on there it has a link to my podcast episodes about me and under Contact Us as my email as well that goes directly to my Gmail and then also my social media links are on that page.
Dustin Steffey:And if you guys want more information and that was a lot to take in, I will have it in the episode description. And you can always go to www dot choppin with fire that ch o PPI n with feiyr.com and go under gas profiles and find Sapna Dr. Sapna thank you so very much.
Sapna Shaw-Hawke:Thank you Dustin, as always, this has been a lot of fun.
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Sapna Shah-Haque
Internist/Podcaster
I'm a practicing internist in rural KS. I have a passion for burnout and wellbeing for many personal reasons.
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